Could going mainstream be the death of the Freedom Party?

7 03 2011

By Nicola Chadwick, for Radio Netherlands Worldwide:

Geert Wilders’ Freedom Party has rocketed into a position of real power in the Netherlands. Although it is not actually part of the minority government coalition, its support in parliament has been rewarded by many of its ideas being incorporated into government policies.

The party’s anti-establishment image and anti-Islam views have brought it huge popularity in a relatively short period of time.

However, now that the rebel with a cause is starting to be invited to meetings and debates by big business and mainstream political parties, there is a danger its controversial image may fade and so may its electoral support.

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8 03 2011
Ingrid Worldwide Infidel Alliance

Going mainstream? His kind of honesty and incisiveness will never be watered down. Geert Wilders is an inspired prophet given to the world and he will not ever go mainstream – mainstream being corrupt and debilitated insane policy of appeasement and ignorance. The population at large, hopefully, will continue to turn to him, seeing the value and truth of what he stands for – their safety and continued freedoms, to speak, to express, to live – to live without fear in their own streets – in their land as their forefathers dreamt and fought to bestow on them.

10 03 2011
DvDH

As Wilders’ con (ie equal to the huge expenditure with a PR firm) expands and he is tested to partake, so comes the exposure to the moral-ponsie scheme and thus its collapse.

Wilders has survived by riding the gray, never completely clarified and totally basing on avoiding context. The best example at present is that he avoids pointing out the mistake by his membership (actually they are just subscribers because he is the only member of the PVV) whom think that he is a Minister in the cabinet. The other con, of course, is that somehow the maximum 15 per cent he has means somehow the majority support him – thus the ponsie-scheme element of making almost nothing look like everything and a sure winner.

In Fitna Wilders quotes portions and parts of the Koran without putting context and claims it is the proof of example and at the same time shouting that Israel is the next best place to Holland and his second home. He certainly visits the country numerous times each year and returns to the Kabbutz he worked at that also strangely enough is often the same verbatum source of his anti-Islam quotes. Ironically, if we are to believe Wilders and that the Koran is a book of Evil that we must do the exact same thing to the Old Testiment/Torrah with the major compenents of Joshua being how God told him to destory all the other tribes to the last man, woman and child and claim it as Israel with Deuteronomy 7 taking the cake, of course, giving the Israelites the free right to “erase their names from the face of the earth. No one will be able to stand against you, and you will destroy them all. ”

Wilders made a big point of quoting the Koran a section that says “kill them all” ….. sound familiar?

judges and Genesis talks about taking slaves and making slaves of the Caananites as well as not allowing the disfigured into the temple, beating the wife is ok and if you work on the sabbath you must be put to death.

The agenda campaign to make the Koran somehow ugly and not anything else works because there are terrorists and ultra-conservatives who do take things literally and in some places they are in power. That, being said, is not an excuse and Wilders is in fact aware of it and thus all the more condemnable.

Ironically, Indrid calling Wilders and inspired “prophet” would make him in accordance to the Torah a criminal punishable by death.

Wilders’ investment into popularism has a drawback and that is that he has to come up with the goods and so far he has flopped. His handpicked crew (remember they are not members) have proven to be mostly low-lifes and thugs and his double-standards make things only the worse.

Now Wilders will eventually have to debate and not just make a statement in parliament and run out before he is challenged and questioned. He cannot keep up “fixing” public addresses that allow him to not be questioned unless he knows the quesiton in advance – that method is becoming tiring to the general public and even in Limburg they are questioning it within the conservative circles that he gained votes from.

One thing is for certain, “the population at large” has not turned to him at all and are smart enough to not fall for the PR excercise.

11 03 2011
tcumo

we NEED people like geert wilders in civilised society
who will speak out against these primitive dogma’s.
i am in the uk and i can see where its heading.
i hope he has success to encourage others to abandon
‘politically correct’ stupidity.
separating ANY form of religeon from government
is the way forward for a better ,happier society.

11 03 2011
tcumo

oops spelt religion wrong in previous post.
is that blasphemy ?

11 03 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance

Yes, thank you tcumo.

We do need people who are not afraid of speaking out against the ways of the barbarian hordes whose ways of life and death is not only an insult to humanity, their Creator, but a danger to us all – and their stupid, stubborn adherence to the Koran’s brutal doctrines has no legal sanction in democratic societies which have mistakenly welcomed them in.

Dvd, there has never been any wife-beating sanctioned in the Bible. You tell so many lies. Take them back to Afghanistan where they are welcome.

11 03 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance

Dvd, you are just jealous of Wilders’ success in receiving such an unprecedented percentage of the popular vote in such a short time.

Go to hell, we need real men, not your kind.

11 03 2011
DvDH

Ingrid, you need a serious reality check. It all comes down to interpretation in the Bible/Torah/Koran and yes there are many versus in the Old Testiment that talk about killing, destruction, women having no or less value etc, etc.

Ezra 10:2 tells men to abandon their wives and children if they were not Israelites.
Jeremiah 9:12 tells people to kill “non-believers” – just as the Koran is always accused of.

Timothy 2:11-15 says that women are subbordinate to men.

Corinthians 14:33-35 says that women should not talk in the temple or church and ask their husbands for both permission and what to say.

Sirach 42:1 taks about beating and locking up unruly slaves AND WIVES

The point here ingrid is – assuming you will say that it is up to intepretation – becuase the text IS THERE – that the same is there with the Koran and thus that arugment never, never sticks.

If you want to argue that there are to many and to many influential Muslims that take the texts and interpret them for the hate then you would be right but your beloved prophet wilders – your words and according to the bible blasphemy itself – do not do so, you simply push blanket hate.

As for unrpecedented percentage of vote – no that is not unprecedented and his minority is just that and every pundit and statiscian here in Holland have already said that a good PR team is between 5 and 8 per cent age of the vote so that would make him between 7 and 10 per cent max.

19 03 2011
Ingrid Worldwide Infidel Alliance

YOU need a serious reality showdown, Dvdh. What the hell are you talking about?

You are apparently only trying to obfuscate, as usual. If you are truly telling me this above, if it is a sincere question, a quest for the truth, you should do some reading of history, then you would not say it is a matter of interpretation. There is no matter of interpretation in the Quran. What it says, to kill all of us, who do not believe and do not like Mohammed, or Allah, or anything they did or said or tell us to do to all other non-believers, means to kill all of us infidels.

No one can rightly compare the quran to the bible, in any way shape or form
i don’t have time to do this justice, but the Creator in the bible, Yah, can not be mean. He is the author of truth, life, love and mercy, kindness, he is the opposite of Allah and Mohammed would be called abominable by Yah. Because it is true, Mohammed did abominable things.

the verses you talk about are there for a reason – and you try to smear the Creator’s character – who are you, so ignorant to try this on this board – to smear the truth revealed therein. Amalekites, Canaanites, Hittites, Moabites, Philistines, but especically Amalekites, were not to be copied by the Hebrews, they were warned not to partake of their abominable religious practices, and defintely not to marry one, unless they (as all strangers) were willing to learn about the truth of Yah, then, they would be included and treated as an Israelite, like Ruth, (a Moabitess, but not her sister), like Moses married a Midianite, etc. they had a choice – people always have a choice, in the Bible’s history, even Cain had a choice not to go with his evil genetic imprint of spiritual corruption (half of his genes were Lucifer’s, which made it hard for him, and he was reasoned with by his Maker, saying, “Why is your countenance fallen, and … If you do well, then, will you not be accepted?” like come on, you have the choice, be good, do as I taught you, don’t go your father’s way (Lucifer did seduce Eve by lies and tempting her to believe that Yah wanted nothing good for them, as opposed to Him, who only wanted to show her around, and infiltrate the human race with his evil, inbred). So if Cain had a choice, and all others are enjoined, encouraged to think, learn, and choose life, as opposed to death, and come to Yahueh’s truth, there was nothing cruel in his commands to separate themselves from those wives, who had obviously been unwilling to leave the worship of Baal, Molech, Dagon, Ast, Ashtarte, and the Christian Canaanite’s worship of Tammuz (Sumer’s Dumuzi) with his mother’s (described in Ezekiel) at her fertility rites at Easter named after his mother, the Goddess, (Ishtar) would result later in her bloody demand for their firstborns, or throwing newborn babies or other precious children into the mouth of Molech burning on fire, sometimes priests of Baal would eat their flesh, (a common abomination of those religions of evil, = where the word Cannibal derives, Priest of Baal, Kahna Baal, which is still done today in Satanism, and in Christianity, the Eucharist, we are not supposed to even pretend something so horrible, but its a doctrine which does not die, it needs to be eradicated, and that is why Yah told them in these circumstances, those people who loved those religions who would not give them up, do not marry, do not learn their evil ways. Becuase it would weaken the people, cause them spiritual and physical harm. (Spiritual, demons like people to do these things, providing them a foothold and eating things a creature is not designed to eat causes prion diseases which destroy the brain and nervous system like Mad Cow, (cows not designed to eat meat, and human variant mad cow, from going against the nature we were told not to eat things not meant for human consumption. People were not designed to eat humans, rodents, shellfish, slimy things like frogs and snails, dogs, cats, birds of prey, armadillos = leprosy, reptiles, all cause disease, not to mention the horrors of pigs, who are the reservoir for over 600 viruses which harm humanity). Forcing daughters to give their virginity away to a stranger, in sacred prostitution, before their wedding night, etc, all of these those people did, plus the Amalekites were noted for one thing throughout the Bible – they were cruel people, extremely cruel, devious, cowardly and vicious. They attacked the stragglers, the weak and the sick, during caravan travels through the land, not like regular warfare, they were just vile people. Yah did not want this new people to be weakend and corrupted and suffer their abominable vile religious practices and did not want the new nation to have to deal with continuing attacks from the cruel amoral Amalekites, weakening them always, and trying to destroy them.

Do not equate this with anything in the Koran. The Koran is nothing but MURDER, continual, unabating sneaky, cowardly brutal vicious murder of the unsuspecting, the tolerant, the kind, the honest, the thinking, the helpless people. The Amalekite character is in fact, a lot like the character of dyed-in-the-wool Islamicists, come to think of it.

19 03 2011
Ingrid Worldwide Infidel Alliance

Also mice. Many many viruses, yet, this is what those people did who worshipped Satan under the names of Baal, Molech, Chemosh, and his consort.

Remember Ozzy Osbourne, biting the head off the rat? well, he has Parker’s disease which destroys the central nervous system, which may or may not be related to ingesting rat’s blood, which also has many viruses dangerous to humans. On the other hand it may be due to the LSD too many times. But you can’t count out the rat thing. Especially raw blood of a rat, especially the rat’s head area, the spinal cord. Fox news had a report years ago about Alzheimer’s disease (of which a very high percentage they reported being really spongiform encephalopathy – (prion damage to the brain, like mad cow does to cows fed meat) which is only proven after death cause no one wants to bore a hole out of a living person’s brain to check on it), being linked with eating squirrels and shellfish. = both forbidden in the Scriptures. I feel sorry for Ozzy, but everyone is damaged by not knowing the laws of life (Yah’s ways).

19 03 2011
Ingrid Worldwide Infidel Alliance

You asked about Paul’s letters and his words about women. Well, I don’t know Paul, but he was just a man, and he never even met Yahushua, so I don’t think we should put his writings to different groups back then (Corinth, Galatia, etc) on the same pedestal or standard as the real prophets of Yah, or those who knew the Messiah, followed, lived with him, and their words passed down by word of mouth. What is a letter of a man who was thought by the Messiah’s own brother (Yacob, ‘James’) to be one of the people working against the truth of Yah, against the teachings of both the Father and the Messiah? There was a huge feud going on. You can read about it in Messianic Legacy, Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, Henry Lincoln, who also wrote Holy Blood, Holy Grail, and the Dead Sea Scrolls Deception. I don’t necessarily agree with their personal opinion on everything, just that their long, painstaking, truth-seeking research is aweomely done – and the Vatican is not anyone’s friend by hiding the truths which directly impact our lives now.

19 03 2011
Ingrid Worldwide Infidel Alliance

Even Thomas Jefferson said
The words of Paul and the words of (the Messiah) are worlds apart…or something like that.

22 03 2011
DvDH

I would have made comments but you have done the best example of your own mental problems and it is better to leave it as it is. It is your choice in the end to read on book and brand it as hate and read another one that is basically the same and read between the lines only and claim it is peaceful. I give quotes that are direct and perfect examples and you call it obfiscating and yet you rant mindless dribble – you can see the spit and drool – . Your sad.

23 03 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance

DvDh, is that the best answer you can fabricate in your twisted and dishonest mind?

You are worse than pathetic.

Your patent dishonesty and love of vile, violent hatred against all innocent people is frightening to realize existss in a so-called human being. I am not the best person to be trying to explain the history of the biblical narrative, not being an historian – but you are obviously only interested in your own evil bias towards the tyrannical ones whose religion you defend as their right, which in your mind and theirs, does confer upn them this ‘right’ to desecrate and murder those who cannot defend themselves. I cannot help it, it is THEIR BOOK, and these duties commanded per Allah himself via the lying child rapist and murderer of humanity (Mohammed, May he Burn In Hell Screaming Forever for his cruelty, evil and sadistic); these are THEIR WORDS, IT IS THEIR HISTORY.

No one else in the world is stoning anyone except Muslims. No one else in the world has slaves, (black people) now, except Muslims. No one but Muslims are holding down little girls, sacred and pure, to gouge out with a blade their clitorises, or forcing the little boys and bigger ones to be gang-raped as a custom every day, sanctioned by their culture and Islamic society, overlooked by the masses and under the auspices of the Imams; if you leave out the Catholic Church, and here and there an abusive group of Satanic powermongers, otherwise it is all done du jour in the Muslim countries. we prosecute those people if that is done here, unless someone very powerful is hiding it and protecting those devils (again, under the guise of ‘religion’). But in Islam are the precepts of Quranic brutality, they were not episodes of particular circumstances in dealing with a particularly brutal enemy as in the Bible verses you brought up; in the Quran, the God Allah is a deviant psychopathic demon, and the commands to destroy are ongoing and in effect until the world is lying motionless at his feet, all killed for Allah’s glory.

This is the Quran.
You know that.
You defend that as their right. This right does not exist in our free lands.
Take criminal Islam and ban it as we have banned other vile criminality here. Don’t bring the war book here and do not invoke its commands after murdering our people per your religion.

All those who are human must see this for what it is. To fight evil, as we must – or it overtakes us – is to fight all brutality and tyranny – which is to fight ISLAM.

27 03 2011
Ingrid, daughter of infidel dogs pigs and monkeys

Your Timothy reference above is a letter of Paul who never knew Yahushua, Dvdh.

You should know this, and not everyone holds the bible to be inerrant word of Yah. I sure know its not, men are devious and they were the translators, and the council of nicea were the ones (Catholics) who determined what got in, what remained, and what they wanted to hide/destroy they did, the church fathers edited, augmented and removed so much of the original manuscripts that this was called ‘Pious Fraud”. Personally, i wouldn’t call a man who never even met the Messiah a very good source for the Messiah’s words, would you? He certainly wasn’t on the level of the Torah, the patriarchs, prophets, and the disciples and family members, who knew him, and knew those who had his teachings handed down faithfully to them, then wrote them down. We were warned. His (Yahshua’s) brother Yacob (James) was against Paul, and what he was teaching was not Yahushua’s teachings.

I don’t trust Paul. Here are some others who know about him, too. Actually, Paul speaks in a maddening, convoluted way that is not straight. he is hard to understand, we should take his letters at best as possibly valuable, but definitely not the word of Yah. Paul was not a prophet.

here is from one website, Atheists for Jesus, but there are many more, like Daniel Botkin’s The Ghost of Marcion, and Thomas Jefferson’s beliefs, (he studied an had his own canon of the Bible, and he knew a lot, and removed Paul, for the reason that he studied history and read the Bible).

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Carl Sagan (Scientist; Author)

“My long-time view about Christianity is that it represents an amalgam of two seemingly immiscible parts–the religion of Jesus and the religion of Paul. Thomas Jefferson attempted to excise the Pauline parts of the New Testament. There wasn’t much left when he was done, but it was an inspiring document.” (Letter to Ken Schei [author of Christianity Betrayed and An Atheists for Jesus])

Thomas Jefferson

“Paul was the first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus.” (All references not listed here, can be found in Christianity Betrayed)

Albert Schweitzer

“Where possible Paul avoids quoting the teaching of Jesus, in fact even mentioning it. If we had to rely on Paul, we should not know that Jesus taught in parables, had delivered the sermon on the mount, and had taught His disciples the ‘Our Father.’ Even where they are specially relevant, Paul passes over the words of the Lord.”

Wil Durant (Philospher)

“Paul created a theology of which none but the vaguest warrants can be found in the words of Christ.”

“Fundamentalism is the triumph of Paul over Christ.”

Walter Kaufmann (Professor of Philosophy, Princeton)

“Paul substituted faith in Christ for the Christlike life.”

George Bernard Shaw

“No sooner had Jesus knocked over the dragon of superstition than Paul boldly set it on its legs again in the name of Jesus.”

Thomas Hardy

“The new testament was less a Christiad than a Pauliad.”

Hyam Maccoby (Talmudic Scholar)

“As we have seen, the purposes of the book of Acts is to minimize the conflict between Paul and the leaders of the Jerusalem Church, James and Peter. Peter and Paul, in later Christian tradition, became twin saints, brothers in faith, and the idea that they were historically bitter opponents standing for irreconcilable religious standpoints would have been repudiated with horror. The work of the author of Acts was well done; he rescued Christianity from the imputation of being the individual creation of Paul, and instead gave it a respectable pedigree, as a doctrine with the authority of the so-called Jerusalem Church, conceived as continuous in spirit with the Pauline Gentile Church of Rome. Yet, for all his efforts, the truth of the matter is not hard to recover, if we examine the New Testament evidence with an eye to tell-tale inconsistencies and confusions, rather than with the determination to gloss over and harmonize all difficulties in the interests of an orthodox interpretation.” (The Mythmaker, p. 139, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, London, 1986)

Jeremy Bentham (English Philosopher)

“If Christianity needed an Anti-Christ, they needed look no farther than Paul.” (Paraphrased. Looking for a copy of “Not Paul, but Jesus” in order to retrieve the exact quote.)

Carl Jung (Psychologist)

“Paul hardly ever allows the real Jesus of Nazareth to get a word in.” (U.S. News and World Report, April 22, 1991, p. 55)

Bishop John S. Spong (Episcopal Bishop of Newark)

“Paul’s words are not the Words of God. They are the words of Paul- a vast difference.” (Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism, p. 104, Harper San Francisco, 1991)

and a whole church is based on the letters of this man. (Catholic, which the Protestants follow, not protesting very much, they went along with the heretical change of the Sabbath (Seventh day of week) to the 1st day, (Sunday, Day of the venerable Sun God, Sol Invictus, the invincible Sun Deity, didn’t they? where are their protests on that? the arrogant presumptuous change of the 10 commandments, (removing it) and other subversions of the truth of the plain Scriptures. Paul seems to be misogynist, really. Yahushua was certainly NOT – HE treated women very highly, with love and much respect, as all other people who deserved it. He was fair, He is His Father’s Son. And his name was not Jesus, because he came in his Father’s Name, Yah.

Yah Shua or Yahu + Shua, meaning the Salvation of Yah, or Yahu saves, that is his real son who was not in any way like the Sun God Baby Saviour figure, Christ, Jesus, Tammuz, Dumuzi, Horus, Her, (Egyptian), Dionysus, Bacchus, Adonis, etc. Not one bit. (those whose character is strangely bisexual, bacchanalian, weak, hypocritical, and deceitful, not manly and not righteous, not strong, not honest, not straight in anything).

What is Sirach? where is that, i never learned about that yet, is it someone’s special book?

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