Wilders angry about Nazi cartoon

14 02 2011

From Radio Netherlands Worldwide:

Freedom party leader Geert Wilders is angry at Dutch public broadcaster VARA for publishing a cartoon on its website Joop.nl which compares a Freedom Party (PVV) plan to Nazi practices. The party recently proposed building so-called ‘scum villages’ for anti-social people. In the cartoon, the residents of such a village are being led to a shower, the same way the prisoners of Nazi destruction camps were led to ‘showers’ where they were gassed.

Mr Wilders said on Saturday it was “a disgusting cartoon. It must be removed from that website immediately, or the PVV will not attend the VARA provincial elections debate scheduled for next Wednesday.” Mr Wilders spoke of “sick minds” at the VARA.

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14 02 2011
filthy kafur

Its amazing…its the same in the UK here….. Real Nazi groups are accusing freedom fighters like Geert of being Nazi ¬
Geert will win through, even if he he is found guilty, all this will do is underline the wrongness of the elites action to the people…Geert will run the Country

15 02 2011
John

Yeah… why would anyone call someone a Nazi just because he has declared his intention to wipe a major world religion off the face of Europe. I mean, what is the similarity to Nazis there?

15 02 2011
Ingrid

I agree with you, filthy Kafur. What hypocrisy people have, to liken HIM to Nazis! They don’t even think of the NAZI-ISLAMIC ALLIANCE, in WWII.

They are one and the same thing. – except the Nazi’s were just using them, for the nazis would extreminage all of them, being brown skinned, mostly.

15 02 2011
Ingrid

ISLAM AND HITLER, NAZIS, both worship the same entity, who desires the destruction of all the world’s people.

16 02 2011
Ingrid

How fitting. Nazis succeeded because of lies, successful lies.

Muslims carry on vile atrocities because of the God they worship, The Father of Lies.

Muslims lie continually about Geert Wilders. He is the one against Nazism.
they are the ones for Nazism, they are friends wih Nazis, historically and love each other now because they hold most things in common. Islam and Nazism hate the truth. They seek to kill it. They hate goodness and innocence. They seek to destroy those. They hate Geert and all infidels, their God (SATAN) commands their pathetic minds to destroy us all.

How fitting for liars, murderers, thieves and destroyers to paint him evil when they are the evil.

16 02 2011
Ingrid

And Muslims lie continually about themselves, to themselves, to each other, and to us. How fitting. How obvious, how pathetic that stupid people accept lies as truth just like Hitler said we would.

16 02 2011
John

Ingrid, I think you have a misconception about why people are calling Wilders a Nazi. You see, it is very true that Wilders is friendly to Israel. And so it is also true that he is very unlike Nazi’s in his attitude towards Jews. But people who make the comparison are taking a more generalized view of what the Nazi’s did – they tried to exterminate a religion from the territories they controlled. And so the comparison is made because Wilders also wants to exterminate a religion from the territories he seeks to control. It’s just a different religion. You should be familiar with that position of his because you share his desire to exterminate a group a people. Thus, it really is quite fair to compare both Wilders and you to Nazis. Hope that clears things up for you!

16 02 2011
Ingrid

Walker, this guy is lying his ass off. Please don’t allow lies here continually, trying to deliberately mischaracterize everything. I certainly don’t have any misconceptions about why Muslims and Islamicists like to call Wilders that. It’s because they want to paint him bad, even though the accusation makes absolute zero sense. They only paint themselves as idiots.

Everybody knows: Nazis were not about exterminating ‘a religion’ as they wanted to exterminate genetic bloodlines – anyone non-Aryan. Poles, Hindus, Gypsies, Blacks, Browns, Beiges, Yellow, REd, anyone not Aryan Germanic. Not all were Jews. You dolt.

I and no one else here, especially Wilders -‘shares’ the Islamic desire to ‘exterminate a group of people’. Wilders simply wants the immigration inundation to stop as they are ruining his country. Denmark also. Sweden also. England also. Soon the US will wake up and see what’s been going on over there and demand a return to sane policies. To let our avowed enemy in, without caution, without oversight, while turning a blind eye and deaf ear to their crimes and statements of doctinally-induced desire/plan for genocide – ALL INFIDELS IN ALL INFIDEL LANDS – WHICH THEY WON’T RENOUNCE, FOR 6 MONTHS HERE NOT ONE MUSLIM RENOUNCES THIS DOCTRINE TO DESTROY US HERE IN OUR OWN LANDS – is not suicide, it is agreement to wholesale destruction of ‘a group of people’ – everyone NOT MUSLIM – (HALF THE WORLD’S PEOPLE).

This guy continually insults everyone here by his blatant insanely-hateful lies.

Please ban obvious lies, Walker. This is not supposed to be a board for the vilification of Wilders, but to defend his truths which he is being prosecuted for saying. Calling him a Nazi is not only idiotic, stupid and hateful, it fans the flames of the retarded people – Muslims and other indoctrinated ones who cannot think for themselves. This is dangerous and unfair.

Please. Can we have a decent standard here for sincere differences with Geert Wilders, and ban obviously disingenuous liars?

16 02 2011
Ingrid

And he proves his complete idiocy and dishonesty by comparing the Jewish religion with the religion of Islam.

The Muslims are the ones committing the crimes, today, for Mohammed, for Allah. NO ONE ELSE IS VOWING TO BEHEAD, SLIT, CUT OFF HANDS AND FEET, RAPE, LOOT, AND BLOW UP – NO ONE ELSE.

That is the problem. if they respected humanity, women, children, animals none of this would be going on. They HAVE NO RESPECT – ONLY HATRED FOR ALL LIVING THINGS.

THEY ARE A SATAN-WORSHIPPING RELIGION WHICH COMMANDS CRIMINALITY – WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW TO DO, THEREFORE, TO PRACTICE IN FREE AND DEMOCRATIC LANDS.

THEREFORE, THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO PRACTICE IT, AND SINCE THEY WILL NOT STOP,

THEREFORE, WE WANT THEM OUT.

16 02 2011
Ingrid

Silence in the face of tyranny is collusion with it. They lie to us because it is their religion to lie to us.

Their God Allah is Mohammed’s adored ‘Great Deceiver’.

Silence, refusal to denounce the evil of Islam, means they are for it.

16 02 2011
Ingrid

Lies about it being peaceful is Taqiya, Deliberate Deception ordered by the Koran, to fool the stupid infidel. All of us. Silence and Lies in the face of Islamic crimes is tacit support. Every good Muslim is a tacit or active supporter of Islamic commanded crimes upon every Infidel.

This is the diametric opposite of the religion revealed in the Bible, so don’t even try that.

17 02 2011
John

You have been very clear Ingrid that your policy is that all Muslims should be forcibly removed from Western countries, regardless of citizenship. So you don’t just want to stop Muslim immigration. That is a lie. Stop being a filthy liar. You want all Muslims removed. That includes Muslims in Western countrise illegally, Muslims who are legal residents but not citizens, Muslims who have immigrated and become citizens, and Muslims who were born in the Western country in which they hold citizenship. Not once have you distinguished betweeen any of these groups. Rather, you have been extremely clear that all need to be cleansed from Western countries. I think its perfectly fair to characterize your position as the extermination of a group of people. Obviously, your policy is grossly unconstitutional and completely contrary to Western ideals of freedom of speech, religion and association. Your plan involves rounding up millions of innocent people for a thought crime and unconstitutionally depriving them of their liberty and property. And guess what? When you round up millions of innocent people for thought crimes, people get killed in the process. This is fucking obvious, and I can only assume that this is an intended and desired consequence of your plan. You are a filthy, disgusting bigot and a genocidal maniac. And no, you get your own little safe space to advocate for genocide. Sorry.

17 02 2011
Ingrid

Walker. Blatant, hateful lies from the above ‘man’, that’s all he ever ‘contributes’ to ‘Defend Geert Wilder’.

All Muslims WHO WILL NOT RENOUNCE THEIR CRIMINAL BELIEFS WHICH ARE ISLAM’S GOALS SHOULD BE DEPORTED. PERIOD. back to homeland, bye bye. Have fun killing your own people but no more of ours.

17 02 2011
John

Well Ingrid, I sure do apologize if I have got your policy wrong. Please clarify for us. Because it seems every time you say I lie about your intention to forcibly deport all Muslims from western countries, you follow it up by… demanding that all western countries forcibly deport their entire Muslim populations. Now, you may be claiming that I’m lying about you being a disgusting, vile bigot. But that is an opinion. And I can assure you, it is honestly held.

18 02 2011
Ingrid

Ah, … truth comes out of the vile idiot’s mouth finally. He realizes by the above set of convoluted statements, although he cannot admit it openly, that one CANNOT BE A MUSLIM AND DISAGREE WITH ANYTING IN ALLAH’S KORAN (without doctrinally deserving the death penalty in most painful manner).

(therefore, he makes it ‘all Muslims’)

Truth is truth, til the end of reckoning.

18 02 2011
filthy kafur

Look who are the NAZIZ !!!! look at this site….. see the entries, see the ideos…see that muslims and hitler colluded to exterminate jews! MUSLIMS are the real nazis! Take a look
http//www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com

18 02 2011
filthy kafur

There was no hatred of Jews by muslims until the Mufti of Jerusalem in world war two started it. Now it is inbred in muslims to hate jews…. look

http//www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com

18 02 2011
filthy kafur

Ingrid…… Take no notice of John, his real names probably “mohammed” or something.

I agree, all we are doing is reacting to the threats from muslims to take our lands off us, and in the UKs case that they will “occupy 10 Downng Street, and Buckingham Palace”. They are ordered too by the koran to take the whole world.
If we threatened to even overthrow a mosque there would be millions of these devils after us.

Islam is the opposite of Christianity, it is the Anti Christ religion..we expect these things, we are in the end times before the Lord returns…..we were even told that in revelation there were “Countless souls” behind the returning Jesus who had been beheaded for the gospels sake….and what religion is beheading Christians?? ISLAM.
Fear not, the battle belongs to the Lord.

18 02 2011
John

You are no different from violent Islamists filthy kafur. You each seek the destruction of every else who is not exactly like you. I did a quick goodle search to see where else you posted. There were some gems up at freebritain. If anyone thinks these people are fully committed to genocide, so take a look at the comments section there.

I know its impossible to get this through your thick skull kafur, but not everyone who opposed your attempts at Muslim genocide are Muslims. You should know this. It’s important. Because you think that when you start to implement your genocide that all non-Muslims will join in. You are deeply, deeply wrong.

18 02 2011
filthy kafur

You John, are a self opinionated idiot…yours, and other apologetic throats will be amongst the rest of them to be cut if we allow Islam to dominate our lands.

I dont intend to argue with you anyway….. your an idiot.

Islam IS butchering in 49 countries mate………… now fuck off outa my face.

18 02 2011
John

Sorry filthy, as I have made clear to Ingrid, you don’t get to advocate for ethnic cleansing in the public sphere without pushback. I know that makes you very angry. You would just love to implement massive political repression of minorities without people getting all in a huff about it. I am sorry that’s not the case. Actually, wait a second, I’m not sorry at all. I think I won’t fuck off outta your face. Tell me filthy – you sound like an uneducated local pub skinhead racist, but you have made comments that would indicate your bigotry comes from being a religious fanatic. Which one are you? My understanding was that there isn’t much overlap between the two. Could be wrong though..

18 02 2011
filthy kafur

I have never advocated “Ethnic cleansing” ??

Look, im not playing this silly game. You can reply if you want to, but be assured I shall not.

19 02 2011
John

This is a great one filthy:

“Would someone shed a little light on my question please?

I am given to understand that in order to be president of the USA a person need to be born in America?

Obama was not born in the USA was he? How come he is president then? Can anyone help me?” (your post at anti-Muslim extremist Daniel Pipes website from Nov. 2010)

Oh, I’ll answer that for you. Hawaii is part of the US. There. Or maybe I’ve missed the premise of your question. Is there some other reason you might tend to believe that the first african-america president is actually a scary non-american “other”? Enlighten us….

19 02 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance

Thank you, Kaffur, and Yah bless you child.

We need what you said here.

That guy is out of his freakin mind, or what used to be his mind. All he does is repeat the same old lies, over like a broken record, completely disregarding and disrespecting the truth, obvious and blatant as it is. Of course, you are right in everything you said, and he knows it, and does not care – because he is long ago completely sold out to his Master, Father of Lies.

Like the Muslims. Thank you for the encouraging words, you are a good man and to all the infidels out there, wherever you are reading from, we are with you in spirit and in truth.

Yah help us as we are in a war. This earth is no playground, and the stakes are high – as Kaffur spoke, the enemy wants our souls. Do not fear what he can do to us, who can only kill the body. Keep your spirit and never give it up to the enemy whose only desire is to destroy the truth in our divinely given spirits. This war is one of Spirit. It was foretold. this horrible time will come to an end – a new world, a new age without time, like Kaffur alluded to.

Thank you Kaffur, Yah bless all you infidels

19 02 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance

He knows we never advocate or want ethnic cleansing. He knows the Muslims advocate and believe in the cleansing of the earth for their evil God. He always lies like that, projecting like crazy. He won’t ever stop.

How do you describe one who makes no sense, is illogical, disregards the truth, and is intent on vilification of good people?

Who will not hear sense? Who lashes out viciously towards those who are trying to defend freedom, innocence, and truth?

To me, it is the nature of the enemy, genetically passed by the ones who rebelled and lived with humans, or, sometimes the hate and lies are adopted willingly of a person’s own accord. Then again, some people are possessed of no fault of their own. Sometimes – many times – nothing is fair in this world. To live on earth is to be involved in Warfare – this is a battle zone.

22 02 2011
Praapje

Hi there John,

I just had to comment on your post here you refer to the extermination of a religion b the nazi’s from the cntinet Europe. I don’t believe that’s accurate. The Nazi’s didn’t ask Jews if they practised their religion nor about their religion itself. They killed the Jews because they were Jews. It had no so much to do with religion, but with race! Not every Jew is religious, you know. Still, every Jew was condemned evil. Wilders does not want to eradicate all muslims from Europe. He wants the moderate muslims to stand up against the radicals in their midst: not just by words, but by actions and commitment. I do not agree with some proposals he has done, but I think he does it cleverly: he lays bare the hypocrasy within the establishment and the mainstream media when it comes to atacking Christianity and defending Islam (or rather, shelter Islam from criticism).

Furthermore, as I’ve said before in referring to the cartoon, is is absolutely disgusting to compare the positions of the Jews in the thirties in Nazi Germany with the position of the muslims nowadays in Holland. When you do that you either don’t know history, do not care about history, distort history purposefully or are indeed very sick!

22 02 2011
Praapje

Say John,

I don’t believe you are getting along that well with Ingrid and vice versa. I’ve read the comments of Ingrid and I must say she seems very passionate. I do not agree with her to remove all muslims from the West. I certainly do not want to do that, I know some very friendly muslims in my neighborhood.

I do not agree with Ingrid in removing muslims, but I share her concern to a certain extend. I was shocked to read you call her genocidal, because according to you will such a removal of lot of muslims causing many deaths. To accuse someone of such an awful thing, based on personal assumptions is a bit harsh, isn’t it?

Furthermore, I get the impression that you label anyone a bigot and a anti-muslim who speaks out to the injustice within Islam and carried out by Islamists. So you call Daniel Pipes a bigoted anti-muslim? Why? I admit he is very onesided in his comments on his website and his speeches but hey, when you want to make a valid point, you don’t get to marginalize it by pushing arguments against it, do you? Fact is, that he has some very good points to make and why can’t these points be made? Sure its one sided, but when that’s a crime we can abolish all political campaigns, heck, the whole democracy when it comes to it!

Don’t get me wrong, John, I can understand that you and many othes don’t like such rhetoric, maybe because it is indeed not nice to so. Maybe it’s not even helpful, who knows. But when you want to counter such rhetoric, please stick to the arguments and don’t make ad hominem attacks. I’m not saying that you do, but that is the trend in these politically correct times in the West. When you only say that it’s dangerous to speak ou this way against Islam and this will only make matters worse, what you are doing is saying people cannot talk this way. You are censuring the critics of Islam and furthermore, it’s like a kind of blackmail: when you do this, this or that will happen so you cannot do that. This is based on assumptions and well, on the well known easily offended islamists who misuse everything to get themselves in the role of victims. I urge you not to fall for such tactics, I believe you are much smarter than that.

23 02 2011
Ingrid Worldwide Infidel Alliance

Thank you, Prappje.

I am relieved to see that you (and hopefully most) do not buy his lies that I want to deport ALL Muslims back to their countries, only those who do adhere to the commands to kill us, deceive us, because we are not Muslim and we don’t like following an evil man and an evil hating Allah. We only want to maintain our safe freedoms, and lying people who are opposed to these freedoms, and hate us, and believe in killing and mutilating and raping others and teaching them hatred in Mosques and Muslim schools, is not healthy – for us, number one, and for them, as people. We cannot change everyone by kindness, it doesn’t work with those Muslims, I know by sad tragic experience. Once the doctrines are set in their minds and hearts fully, there is no going back, you don’t see Imams leaving Islam for its brutality, only becoming more entrenched in their evil and vile acts against humanity.

We cannot maintain our free and open society with many of these enemies in our gates. We do not know when they will do as they are commanded, and stop the ‘niceness’ act, and finally do the violent jihad, until they themselves decide it is ‘the time’ We are not seeing the atrocities they are perpetrating on us, as Westerners and their own people, here in our Western countries, because for some weird and treacherous reason, our media is bought off and in collusion with the Islamicists! Taxi drivers committing multiple murders by ramming into bystander Western infidels, fathers of Muslim girls, brothers of Muslim girls, and mothers of little girls are perpetrating very unspeakable acts of gruesome murder, cruel mutilation and torture upon their families. We cannot keep looking the other way because we would rather not bother ourselves with ‘their lives’, because that is against our constitution, to allow other people to ruin other’s lives in a brutally deliberated way – it is undemocratic, unfair, and dangerously verging on being inhuman to shrug our shoulders and say ‘it’s not my business’. The defenseless and frail should not be suffering in our lands because their families are intent on acting on the Koran’s commands and being abusive and murderous because of their vile culture. Their acts due to the Quran are CRIMINAL ACTS.
I am not genocidal, thank you for bringing up this fact, Praapje, I have given up refuting that horrid accusation, because that vile man is not sane or human. On the contrary, it is THE ISLAMICS WHO ARE GENOCIDAL. ISLAM SAYS ITS PEOPLES’ GOAL IS TO DESTROY ALL THE WORLD’S PEOPLE, UNTIL THERE IS NO PEOPLE BUT THOSE BOWIING TO THEIR VILE GOD.

That is genocide. Not defending ourselves against it by deporting those who obey those inhuman commands.

Thank you and bless you for giving me that support and the chance to once more explain my intention. Bless you and all people of good heart and who hate cruelty.

23 02 2011
John

You see, this sounds reasonable at first:
“I am relieved to see that you (and hopefully most) do not buy his lies that I want to deport ALL Muslims back to their countries, only those who do adhere to the commands to kill us, deceive us, because we are not Muslim and we don’t like following an evil man and an evil hating Allah.”

Until you dig down to discover what she means when she says “only those who do adhere to the commands to kill us, deceive us, because we are not Muslim “. And I think the answer you will find, because Ingrid has given us the answer a hundred times, is that a person must fully and completely renounce their faith in order to qualify.

What surprises me, Praapje, is that you can read the degree of fanaticism, hatred and paranoia of someone like Ingrid and not be concerned.

24 02 2011
Praapje

Dear John,

I have not read every post of Ingrid. It is not my intention to defend her, I’m just giving my opinion on the things I see. You say she means a good muslim is an ex-muslim. Well, if that’s the case, I do not agree with her on that one. Though I must say that I have my reservations when someone adheres to the Islamic ideology. According to you Christianity and Islam are the same. I can’t believe you believe that. I have my concerns about Christianity too, of course, I mean, God is like a Santa Claus for grown ups, I think. Again, I don’t want to offend anyone, but that’s how I stand. Still, I find Islam way more dangerous, at least at this point. First, because of the hatred against “the other”in the Islamic writings and teachings and secondly, because Islam does not know an Enlightenment. You can say that certainly the Islamists (but I do think many other muslims as well) are like CHristians in the 15th century, with all their superstitions and believes.

Correct me if I’m wrong, John, but I think you judge the anti-muslim people way more harshly than you do the islamists. I don’t get it. I agree with you that there are indeed people who speak out discriminatory and down right hatefully against Islam. I don’t like that, but I don’t qualify it as dangerous perse. How come you find this way more dangerous than the ideology and acts of islamists? You don’t see the danger of implementing Shariah in the West gradually? Sure, I don’t see it happening soon, if not at all, but the fact is that there are people out there who are trying.

I believe that being polite and nice have never brought about any change. When we want the muslim community to stand up against these criminal acts than we must press this issue. Only when I see a large portion of the muslim community speak out against suicide bombings, Hamas and Hezbollah, Shariah, women rights in Islam etc, than I will become positive about a modernised Islam. Until that time, I will remain very skeptic.

Finally, I believe that when you talk to someone, there’s always some common ground. I sometimes see a person, say at work or at the gym and I instantly have a judgment in my mind. When a person always has a grim look on his or her face I judge him or her to be very moody and not pleasant to talk to. But when you actually talk to that person, I mean at a personal level, you see that he or sehe is not so bad at all. So, talking can change your persception of someone and lifts the veil of much disagreement. I hope you and Ingrid can find some common ground: most disagreement is based upon misinterpretation of intentions, a cloud of emotions and deperately trying to hold on to your own beliefs.

Well, who am I to say this anyway? I just love getting along I guess.

24 02 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance

Dear Peacemaker Praapje,

Thank you for trying to promote peace in the world. But some people do not want peace, like the one you are trying to reach above; Geert Wilders and all the Dutch wanted peace, too, and want it so bad that they gave up their safety and freedom to avoid arguments and unpleasantness caused by raising the issues of islam’s destruction. They bend over backwards, as did Danes, as do English, as Swedes, and France – now what has been the result of appeasement of tyranny? it only gets worse.

(By the way, I never said that above about ‘a good Muslim is an ex-Muslim’ that is stupid – and as usual another one of his unceasing lies in mischaracterising anti-Islamic infidels).

The noble ideal you hold is only workable in a utopia – where all people are reasonable and fairminded; ‘Live in peace with your neighbor/brother, as much as is possible’ is told us in the Bible. This is said with the implicit understanding that, at times, with certain people, to live in peace with them is NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

But I and many infidels here appreciate your attempts to reason with him.
We have already tried, in our lives, not only with this supporter of tyranny.
It is not desired by some humans to live in peace, fairness, to live in love and not fight.

this is our war. The fight here is not against mere flesh and blood, it is a fight with the spirit world, unseen but powerful forces – ‘powers of darkness, principalities, against evil/iniquity in high places’

Thank Yah we also have more good spirits who fight for us, alongside us, invisibly helping and battling on behalf of truth and goodness and life.

yes, Praapje, it is a beautiful day, again. Every day is beautiful. Life is beautiful and precious. But in this beautiful day there are thousands of lives (human and animal) being slaughtered without mercy by Islamic slaves to the Evil vile one. So we cannot all get along. We have to fight.

So sorry that the world is not peacful, but that’s just the nature of the enemy we face. Yah bless you – all of you who are out there in many different lands who hate the tyranny and the cruelty of the Liar who is trying to destroy humanity. Yah bless you and your people and help you in your steps toward truth and may he rescue you in this madness which was not ever his plan.

24 02 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance

Sorry I meant to type ‘to live in peace with some people at times will NOT BE POSSIBLE’

That is the implicit understanding in the directive to ‘live in peace, as much as is possible’.

some times it is not possible, due to other people’s vile perversity and evil.

We are NOT SUPPOSED to live in peace with evil, – we are told to continually hold evil at bay – and fight against it, speak out against cruelty, against vile deeds, and this is the modus operandi of Islam – so we are continually fighting against tyranny wherever Islam holds sway.

24 02 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance

We are supposed to fight, to defend the helpless victims of vile doctrines of Islam and other vile perpetrators of cruelty. it is our duty to defend the innocent.

We cannot live in peace with their tormentors and destroyers. It is not possible.

‘We fight not against flesh and blood…we fight against powers of darkness, principalities…spiritual wickedness in HIGH PLACES’..

Yah help you all who are in this fight for your lives and the lives of your loved ones against tyranny.

24 02 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance

My children’s father is Libyan. Their dear Grandmother Mahbarookha and aunts and uncles and nephews and nieces and friends are stuck inside behind blankets I understand afraid to go to try to get food. We are distraught at the Libyan situation, their predicament, same with Egyptians and Bahrainians, Moroccans, etc. Muslims are angry and want democracy. They see the world’s people and what is possible, and want fairness and equality and joy for themselves, freedom. They should have it too, they were not meant to live under Islamic vile tyranny. No one was. but they are angry thinking Qaddafi is the problem, saying he is not Muslim, that he’s a mad man. True, he is mad, but he is a good Muslim, he practices al Taquiyya to the Western fools to be a follower of Mohammed the vile pervert, murderer and rapist and child-molester rapist prophet of the devil Allah. When Qadaffi is gone, soon, all will not be well – it is a start, but evil Islam will come in by other means and oppress the people, probably much worse than now. Islam must be eradicated by the Libyans, or they will continue to suffer, living in constant worry under threat of terror. It is Islam which is their biggest problem, it will not allow democracy. They will never have democracy with Islam, too. Islam’s founder said women are mentally deficient and must be controlled and should be beaten when they displease their owners. There can never be freedom in that religion. Freedom of thought it prohibited by Allah. Allah is your enemy.

There can be no joy, no peace, no safety, until Islam is completely denounced, the vileness of the Quran renounced, and the Satanic doctrines of Allah erradicated from the land. Only then will the people of Libya have a chance. I pray that Yah will lead them all in this terrible time of trouble.

We are living in the last generation of earth. People of the earth, call out to your Father, Yah, and He will answer and show you great and mighty things, which thou knowest not”
Yah bless you who fear and desire peace, safety, truth. Bless you and help you all in your struggle for life.

24 02 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance

LIBYAN FIGHTER PILOTS CRASH JETS RATHER THAN KILL LIBYAN PEOPLE
1000 KILLED IN LIBYA, SAYS ITALY.

We are with you brave and heroic LIBYAN PILOTS WHO SAVED INNOCENT COUNTRYMEN. May you and your people escape Islamic tyranny, May Yah of the Universe help you in your plight now. We are with you in spirit, in truth, and pray for your rescue from madness, even though our government does not help you in your struggle to escape the lies of Islam.

‘We are at the mercy of a madman who is not Muslim’ says Libyan woman. (wrong – their problem is that he is Muslim, also driven mad because of Islamic doctrines).

Two air force pilots jumped from parachutes from their Russian-made Sukhoi fighter jet and let it crash, rather than carry out orders to bomb Libya’s second largest city, Benghazi, which is now in opposition hands, the website Quryna reported, citing an unidentified officer in the air force control room.

One of the pilots was from Gaddafi’s tribe, the Gadhadhfa, said Farag al-Maghrabi, a local resident who saw the pilots and the wreckage of the jet, which crashed in a deserted area outside the key oil port of Breqa

24 02 2011
Amaze

Dear Ingrid, Dear “filthy… whatever”.

What an absolutely amazing bunch of twats you are. Selfsatisfied, illogic, completely irrational … and utterly nuts. In short: The flower of … Dutch intelligentsia. Congratulations.

25 02 2011
Praapje

Hi Ingrid,

You must understand, I´m not like a flower power nitwit. I don´t hink all people will get along. Far from it. I was just talking about my experiences with people. Talking about differences…sometimes I can´t understand how someone thinks. When you think about the fact that muslims come from a vastly different background, it is obvious that there are major differences. Not only differences on a regional level, on a historical one as well. In the West we have had the Enlightenment. Although some Christians blame this period for secularism and atheism, they too, should be very thankful for it. Because of it we have religious tolerance and are we able to govern justly and fairly, without one group being dominant above the other (well, roughly speaking of course’).

To return to understanding one another. I know there are people I just can´t get along with, no matter how hard I try. There are nut jobs out there and some people may find me a nut job. Fact is, I´ve experienced some ugly things in my life and I´ve learned much about people. I´m a bit distrustful, someone has to earn my trust and respect. No, I´m certainly not a fucked up hippy who thinks everyone is `cool.` Something else I´ve learned is…change comes about by confrontation, a soft approach does not work. When we want the muslim community to change, to do more against the radicalisation, we must put way more pressure upon it. The warnings of the Left and some other muslims of offending or discriminate muslims this way and so stimulating the radicalisation is just a lot of bogus. It´s pure blackmail! It´slike a child who threatens to smash something if it doesn´t get his cookie. Ridiculous!

About the current uprisings in the MIddle East. I´m very concerned about it. The fact is..I´d like the people to get a better society, free of tyranny and all. But history teaches us, that there never has been a true democracy in the Islamic world, perhaps because the teachings of Islam aren´t exactly compatible with this idea ( question mark, this keynote does not work). Further more, PEW researches show that the Egyptian people favor an Islamic regime. Haven´t you noticed that almost every woman within the protests wore a headscraf or burqa (qm). When you look at Egypt 50 or even 20 years ago, this wasn´t the case. The growth of weaman wearing Islamic clothes has risen dramatically. When protesters talking about muslims and christians are protesting together, the whole Left gets a boner, pardon my language. Fact is, that Islam has never been tolerant towards other religions and there´s no sign it wil begin now. When protesters have signs like ´down with the Camp David accords´ ´death to Israel´ or carry a picture of Mbubarak with a David star on his forehead, I wouldn´t be too hasty to celebrate. When everyone shouts Alahu Akbar, I realy get the feeling they are pulling our legs with their demands for a more secular society. No. I have a hard time to be happy about this all. Still, I hope the people will choose wisely and hope they will get a more friendly and stable regime. But I have my doubts!

Finally, Europe can expect millions of muslim refugees from Egypt and Lybia. It sounds cruel perhaps, but Europe must not let them in. Only the wounded perhaps. How is it that it is always people from mainly the Islamic world seeks refuge in the West and never the other way around (qm). Has it got something to do with the instability of Islamic regimes and the lack of progress there (qm). Islamic countries are quick to ask (sometimes demand) aid from the West (think of the earthquake in Pakistan) but never giving aid to other countries (certainly not the West, exept for promoting hatred and Jihad against the West by Saudi Arabia). It always is a oneway street within Islam (tolerance towards other cultures, to adapt to an other culture, leaving Islam is difficult to say the least but entering the Islamic faith is said to be very easy) and that isn´t exactly a sign of tolerance, is it (qm).

So, Ingrid, I´m not such a pussy who thinks everyone is my friend. On the contrary, but I do think we should at least try and find some middle ground in most cases. When it comes to Islam, I´m still for trying to set up a dialogue towards the truly moderate, but we must be very firm towards orthodox Islam. That means that we have to do our homework and not believe everything the socalled spokesmen for Islamic communities say. We have to get rid of this dangerous PC and call a spade a spade. We have to address this ideology for what it is and be worrying about offending people. Everybody gets offended or hurt sometimes..I say, deal with it!

Well, you talk alot about Yah and other stuff. I´m sorry I don´t follow you and to be perfectly frank, I´m not into that kind of stuff. I´d like to think I´m just reasoning out loud and try be as honest to myself as I can be.

And AMAZE, I don´t follow you. You think the Dutch intelligentsia is nuts (qm). Well, I agree. A large part is Leftist and it is remarkable…they just don´t see islamisation as a threat. These are the people who bash Christiany and certainly Catholicism everyday and with a smile on their face, but when it comes to Islam they remain silent, no, they accomodate it everyway they can. I can understand it to a certain degree ( to kep the peace or something), but they are absolutely blind to the possible consequences. They realy don´t get it. I´m not sure if that´s what it was you were revering to, Amaze, but that´s how I feel about things.

25 02 2011
Praapje

To correct last post. It should be…´we have to address this ideology for what it is and NOT be worrying about offending people.´

A quick note.. the mainstream media and lots of Leftist politicians all favor democracy in Egypt and Lybia. I do too, but only in the long, looooooong run!
Democracy isn´t a ready made product you can export like a can of beans. It isn´t even a final contruct. What it is is a means to an end, the end being securing human rights and freedom for all.

Democracy in the MIddle East at this point is like introducing democracy in 12th century Europe. Just like free elections in the 12th century would have resulted in a Christian theocracy (Church was the most powerful and people were scared of drifting away from God because they realy believed they would end up very bad indeed), so too will free elections bring Isalmis inspired governments with implementation of the Sharia in Egypt and Lybia. Democracy just reflects the will of the people and of the most powerful and cunning institutions of the country. Like I´ve said, Islam hasn´t had a enlightenment yet, so you can´t expect people suddenly to change to secularism. Revolutions like these only make matters worse. Still, the French revolution did have a positive effect eventually, after the terror reign of the Jacobins for about ten years.

I hope these revolutions will turn out positive for the people involved, but I do not get my hopes up.

25 02 2011
John

Shorter Praapje: Sorry Muzzies, no democracy for you. Maybe when you grow up.

26 02 2011
Praapje

No, all I’m saying is,is that democracy is a gradual process, which cannot be brought about by (violent) revolution. I’m all for a gradual policy change by the dictators, supervised by the major countries like the US.

In the case of Lybia I think it’s another matter. This Gaddhafi is not to be trusted and I think downright mad. I think it’s best that he be removed. Still, I’m holding my breath to what will happen next over there.

On the other hand, perhaps your right. Maybe I’m being too pessimistic about these revolutions and do these countries head for better times. I hope so. Still, it’s naive of the West to expect a democracy in these countries after all this turmoil. Democracy depends upon the values of the people who choose it. In that regard, yes, I am pessimistic.

I hope the people will choose wisely and don’t let orthodox Islam take over. Some say: well, so what, when that’s whatthey want? (hey, this keynote works again). First of all, the people, at least the women and all non-muslims would be far worse off than under a “moderate” dictator and secondly, the democracy would be destroyed by this orthodoxy.

Sure all these people deserve democracy, but it is not a product but a (intellectual) proces, whereby people need to address their current system of values. All I’m saying is, to get a democracy takes time!

26 02 2011
V

Wow, what happened to that free speech you far-right Fascists claim to protect when someone bad-mouths your boy? You are just like the Islamic extremists you claim to hate after someone makes a picture of Mohammed, when someone draws a unflattering picture of your “Prophet”, Wilders.

27 02 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance

My replies to the above posters are gone today. ? Walker….is someone hacking into the site, I wouldn’t put it past them, they do most anything for their lies to be the only thing reaching the people.

27 02 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance

V you are a completely hateful IDIOT. It is not ‘an unflattering picture of …’ it is a LIE, BLATANT AND CALCULATED TO TWIST THE FACTS that WILDERS IS AGAINST NAZI IDEOLOGY AND THERFORE ISLAMIC IDEOLOGY.

Nazism and Islam are almost identical and are friendly historically, one goal, to kill all non-adherents, most emphatically Jews. Do you not see the spiritual thread underlying all this? Do you not agree that Hitler was possessed? You can’t deny it, he was. Do you not agree with history that Mohammed was also possessed by evil? He even he was possessed by a devil. Can you look at what Hitler did and his goal, still unfinished, and support his ‘rights’ because it was his religion? One liar on here who is evil to the core says he would not kill Hitler, given the chance knowing what we know. That is an evil person intent on defending brutal, sadistic EVIL.

27 02 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance

MOHAMMED SAID he was possessed by a devil.

27 02 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance

And all these educated Muslims will continue to follow him? Knowing everything he did (behead, mutilate, rape, even chidlren, tear a woman apart by camels running, murdering 800 Jews in one night – their hero? – and they say, ‘May Peace Be Upon Him’ every time his name is mentioned????

THAT is Amazing.

27 02 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance

And his followers today follow in his footsteps, because they love brutality.

27 02 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance

Do you not see that when humans agree or aquiesce to evil, whether it is coerced or not, it results in losing their sanity and humanity? Look at Qaddafi, look at the Imams, Khomeini, Khameini, Amadinejad, The Muslim Brotherhood, Choudary, Assad, Arafat, and look at their hordes of men (and women) chanting murder-by-beheading, mutiliating, and throat-slitting. do you call this sane?

It is the insanity produced by acceptance of evil. It IS EVIL. May Mohammed Burn in Hell Forever

27 02 2011
Praapje

V,

Hey, it isn’t about free speech. Wilders himself did not want to ban the cartoon, which makes him consistent with his own principles.

I find the cartoon repulive not because of Wilders, but because of the equation of the position of muslims today in the West with the position of the Jews in the thirties. That;s disgusting. To say that muslims are being victimised and that the end result will be the gas chambers is downright dishonest, historically incorrect and and insult to all the people who wre imprisoned in a concentration camp. The Left has the nasty habit to use historically dramatic periodes and smear the meaning of it. The Left, who say stand for the rights of minorities, leave the Jews outside. And the gays for that matter, by embracing Islam. The same way the Left critisized, no villified Christianity, with the same intensity it embraces Islam.

Talk about principles: Wilders sticks with freedom of expression while the Left twists and turns just to get what they want.

Don’t confuse freedom of speech with a reaction from the one receiving the criticism. The fact that someone gets to be offended by freedom of speech is inevitable, heck, it is a vital part of this freedom. It’s how you deal with this criticism that’s the issue. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean everyone should agree with it, of course not. But when you speak your piece about it, make your opinion known and move on, that’s the way to go. Instead of trying to regulate it, like the Left is trying to do.

I say: grow up!

1 03 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance

Right On, Praapje.

Let’s hope some Muslims out there who know evil for what it is, read what you said, and it gives them the courage and validation to do the right thing, when given the chance. – like – try to escape Islam with their lives – but knowing that there are many things worse than death itself – defend the defenseless speak out against the vile practices and doctrines stop teaching their children lies and brutality for the hateful God, anything else they can, each day, to oppose the TYRANNY AGAINST US.

Thank you for your tireless efforts at reasoning together on here.
It is good to take a stand for truth and life, but you have to be a man to do it.

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