New trial for Wilders on hate speech allegations (Roundup)

11 02 2011

From Monsters & Critics:

Amsterdam – Dutch politician Geert Wilders went on trial again Monday over allegations he incited hatred of Muslims.

A previous trial on the same charges collapsed in October after a judicial review found the judges were not impartial.

A new panel of judges presided over Monday’s proceedings at the Amsterdam district court, which dealt with procedural issues.

In a Twitter message, Wilders called the new hearing ‘the second part of a political trial.’ The case was ‘about the defence of free expression for all of us,’ he said.

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11 02 2011
John

Oh noes! Geert Wilders trials make Yah sad 😦

But rainbows and mint chocolate chip ice cream make Yah happy :p mmmm, yummy ice cream says Yah, maybe Geert would like some!

12 02 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance for Humanity

MUSLIMS, why is the truth about Mohammed’s life offensive to you?

Why can it be read from your sources by your people, but when infidels read it you tell us screaming that ‘we are offending’ you and Mohammed?

We do not understand this. Please explain it to the infidels so we can better understand each other.

12 02 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance for Humanity

Because if you don’t, there will never be ‘community cohesion’ in the West.

Obviously, we don’t understand a basic principle of Islam.

what is insulting to you about the truth of Mohammed’s life?

12 02 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance for Humanity

Our real underlying question is,
WHAT IS NOT INSULTING TO HUMANITY ABOUT MOHAMMED’S LIFE?

12 02 2011
John

INGRID, why is the truth about Yah’s commandment’s offensive to you?

Why do you insist on wanting to stone to death homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13)?

Why can it be read from your sources by your people, but when Yah-infidels read it you tell us we are being blasphemous?

We do not understand this. Please explain it to the Yah-infidels so we can better understand each other.

Because if you don’t, there will never be ‘community cohesion’ in the West.

Obviously, we don’t understand a basic principle of Yah.

What is insulting to you about the truth of Yah?

Our real underlying question is,
WHAT IS NOT INSULTING TO HUMANITY ABOUT YAH’S COMMANDMENT TO STONE TO DEATH HOMOSEXUALS?

12 02 2011
John

INGRID – when will you admit Yah is a cruel, barabaric monster? Belief in Yah should be made illegal and his followers deported to Yahistan!!! Ingrid, why must you insist on stoning homosexuals to death when we in the west are peaceful tolerant people? We have accepted you Yah-lovers into our countries and paid for you while allowing you to do welfare bums. All we want is to be tolerant and peaceful and therefore we will hunt down Yah-lovers wherever they live and force them out of our countries!!!

12 02 2011
John

Hey Ingrid, I heard that Yah commands yuo to stone to death homosexuals as a way to distract from actually being gay himself. I heard Yah experimented with a gay male friends of his in the shower at his dorm in first year university. Not full-on sex, but certainly naked touching, Yah and this other man. Discuss….

12 02 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance for Humanity

Waker Morrow – please notice the blaspheming lies of John and take them down.

What they call blasphemy on my part is not true – I am only repeating their own truths about Mohammed – he is factually a child rapist, therefore, a pervert; he is factually a cross-dresser, (not that I am against that, necessarily, were that the only issue) so that means he is a transvestite; he Mohammed, is factually historically a murderer of all those who do not bow to him, which no one tries to deny.

this John is just lying, deliberately misconstruing the issue at hand – the truth about islam – we all know the truth about the Bible, and it is not the issue, no one is stoning and murdering innocents in the name of Yah, only in the name of Allah. This is the issue – beating wives, burying alive, stoning to death on mere suspicion of breaking a law of Allah. None of the capital punishments are happening today in the countries where Yah is followed.

Will you ban this man for his vicious, never-ending LIES, AND BLASPHEMY, Walker? It is not right to lie, he shouldn’t be allowed to do that. Yet that is all he does. He knows it, we know it, and he does it because he is allowed to by you. We are only telling their own truths which they don’t like us to do, but they do, and they obey those truths, which is the issue at hand. Telling the truth. For which Geert Wilders is on trial for.

Lying – blatant and vile as John has been allowed to do here, – is wrong and to normal Americans, unacceptable. He seems to belong in a mental hospital restrained. Please don’t let him continue this horrible lying.

12 02 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance for Humanity

He is blaspheming Yah. With lies, vicious and hateful.

That is wrong

He knows he cannot back any of it up. He is dishonest and vile.

What is wrong about our talking about the truths of Islam from their own sources? that is what our issue is, per Geert Wilders. that is not blasphemy.

It is the truth.

12 02 2011
John

Walker, in my defense, I really did hear that shower thing about Yah. I can’t say for sure that it happened, but I did hear it.

Ingrid – thanks for confirming your hatred of freedom of speech and love of censorship and repression. Please post a quote of Leviticus 20:13 and explain how I am misinterpreting it. Because it says quite explicitly that homosexuals should be put to death (the method of stoning is specified in a slightly later verse). Until you provide a good explanation of how it doesn’t actually say that homosexuals should be put to death, then I will continue telling the truth (that Yah calls for the stoning to death of homosexuals) and my opinion of that truth (that it makes Yah evil, cruel and barbaric).

12 02 2011
Walker

OK – everybody just relax for a moment.

I don’t want to ban anyone, including John. But dude, seriously: take it down a notch, alright? We get your point – and you’re coming across as a troll.

12 02 2011
John

I am a troll, clearly. But nothing I have said rises to the level of Ingrid’s disgusting hatefulness and advocacy for ethnic cleansing. I know its fashionable in right-wing extremist circles to be silent in the face of the most disgusting and hateful anti-Muslim bigotry imaginable (ie. anything Ingrid has ever written). But my personal belief is that those kind of people should be mocked and shamed accordingly.

12 02 2011
Ingrid Worldwide Infidel Alliance

We, unlike Muslims, do not say that the Bible is the inerrant word of Yah.

There are obvious errors throughout, and we are warned not to believe everything written. We are even warned about the ‘lying pens of the scribes’.

Muslims on the other hand, say the Koran is perfect, and no one may take exception to anything in it.

Therefore, they kill people for not obeying every word in it. It is the inerrant word of Allah.

I – personally – do doubt that Yah meant to stone people who are of homosexual persuasion, He being a Being of Mercy and Love. However, like I already said, I would loe to be the first one to stone those devils in human form who are raping boys every thursday night on Muslim Man-boy love night in Afghanistan, on our bases, by Afghan Rapists, (Police).

Let me do it, let me throw those stones, and I will not stop until every one of them is dead and there are no more children raped. then, let me do it to the Catholic priests and Mormon child-rapists. I think those are who Yah was most certainly referring to. Those who do it to hatefully destroy other human’s innocence and peace. That’s just my opinion and my feelings. Not everything in there is by Yah. Like the ‘Eat this – my body – drink this – my blood” that has to be put there by the priests of Baal, who ate their human victims of sacrifice -(Kahna Baal = Cannibal) so duh, use your brain, people as commanded, use your natural minds.
Thank you Walker, it is appreciated by all of us.
Max, please ask Walker for my email, or Walker, will you please give it to Max for me, thank you again for your help.
And one more time, for the record for new people here, I am not racist, nor bigot, nor do I want genocide, I want the opposite, I want to have a peaceful safe world where no one is raped, threatened, lives in fear/terror, and think to that end, Islam (a criminal religion, nobody can refute this) must be banned. We dont’ allow our own rapists and beheaders to live out in the open society, just because its their religion.

12 02 2011
Ingrid Worldwide Infidel Alliance

Case in point: Theo van Gogh. He was murdered by a Muslim practising his religious right to murder for Allah.

This is a crime, in our lands.

Deport. Everyone who does not renounce this criminal religion.

12 02 2011
John

Yes, please do not think Ingrid is a bigot for assuming that all Muslims are rapists. Please do not think she wants people to live in fear as her brownshirts and secret police hunt down Muslims women and children in the night to be stripped of rights and property and sent off in packed train cars to some other location. Please do not think Ingrid in favour of ethnic cleansing simple because she wants to cleanse Western countries of certain ethnicities of people.

I personnally think that Yah meant all that stuff about stoning to death homosexuals, and all those hundreds of other passages commanding violence and genocide:

“When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you may nations…then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy.” Deuteronomy 7:1-2

“…do not leave alive anything that breaths. Completely destroy them…as the Lord your God has commanded you…” Deuteronomy 20:16

“9 And the people of Israel took captive the women of Midian and their little ones, and they took as plunder all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods. 10 All their cities in the places where they lived, and all their encampments, they burned with fire, 11 and took all the spoil and all the plunder, both of man and of beast. 12 Then they brought the captives and the plunder and the spoil to Moses, and to Eleazar the priest, and to the congregation of the people of Israel, at the camp on the plains of Moab by the Jordan at Jericho. 13 Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the chiefs of the congregation went to meet them outside the camp. 14 And Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the commanders of thousands and the commanders of hundreds, who had come from service in the war. 15 Moses said to them, Have you let all the women live? 16 Behold, these, on Balaam’s advice, caused the people of Israel to act treacherously against the Lord in the incident of Peor, and so the plague came among the congregation of the Lord. 17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.” – Numbers 31.

Ingrid, that would be Moses commanding the slaughter of women and children in verse 17, and then condoning and keeping of unmarried women as sexual slaves to rape in verse 18. That would be Moses, prophet of Yah. This Yah character sure sounds like a genocidal maniac to me who likes to see children slaughtered and women raped. Is that why you are so find of genocide? Because Yah loved genocide and murder and rape and carnage?

12 02 2011
John

And why do you call it lies when I just repeat Yah’s own words to you? It cannot be blasphemy to simply repeat what Yah has commanded. Explain to us infidels so we can understand.

13 02 2011
Ingrid, Worldwide Infidel Alliance

Walker, I would like to add something to yesterday’s points mentioned. Angry people defending Muslim atrocities often think they are ‘getting us’ by mentioning Leviticus and the ancient stoning.
Muslims are the only ones stoning people for thousands of years. No Jews are.

You cannot compare the bible to the Koran, in any way whatsoever.

but I want to clarify my statement that I do not think Yah wants people of the homosexual persuasion to be stoned, even then. Being homosexual in itself is not a sin, some people are born that way, some are raised in an environment which makes them feel aversion and given a tendency to be more towards the same sex, feel antipathy towards the opposite sex, because of cruel parents and other abuse. This is not something Yah wants to punish. It is strange that the Being of Mercy who loves us, made us, is mischaracterised as mean by the people who are doing the mean things to others, such as Muslim rapists, Catholic priests, etc. There is no more widespread, entrenched barbarity than that of Islam, as a whole religion, whose precepts are barbaric and Muslims today do the same crimes as 1400 years ago becuase of those barbaric doctrinal commandments. This is the only religion which is doing this as commandments. The others are anomalous perverts, such as the priests and Mormon abusers of children. You cannot equate the two. One is religiously prescribed and culturally ingrained, the other is against the books they ostensibly hold as their authority.

While that was only my opinion, I may be wrong, Yah only knows, it remains to be seen if that is so. The point remains that no one is doing it today.
However, there are results, consequences, of doing unnatural things not designed to be done by humanity, and semen is alive, they are beings, with spirit, as blood is alive, with the life in it, therefore serious consequences are suffered not only mentally, physically, but spiritually the danger is more evil than we have been taught by our authorities, which promote the idea that it is OK, safe to do (spilling seed where it is not supposed to be). The only place semen is supposed to be deposited is in the female’s sacred vagina, its designed sacred place for such a live sacred thing as semen. DNA is what this war is about, human DNA especially, and the sexual act’s energy is also used against us by spirits if they can – that is, if we misuse the act and do what we were prohibited from doing. Prohibitions were not put in place by Yah to keep anything good from us, but to protect us and our seed. Evil spirits use semen and energy, psychic energy released in any activity, (murder, communion with dark spirits, and misued sexuality) to create beings who never should be created, against us, against them, and against our Creator. so this prohibition is not against the individual homosexual, but against those who overpower others in this brutal act degrading and corrupting humankind, and increasing the warfare we have to deal with in the unseen spirit world. It is against the act of spilling semen/seed/human sperm in any unclean, unsacred place where this can be opportunistically taken – therefore, to be homosexual is not the sin, but the act of desecrating sperm, the living force which we are entrusted with protecting and honouring. OK – is that clear? Things unseen and misunderstood are going to harm us, that was Yah’s whole point in the commandments. And He is a Being of ultimate mercy, and all-Powerful Justice, and nothing is ever done by anybody is not noted, and those who insist on knowing this and defaming Him will not be unpunished.

13 02 2011
Ingrid

My clarification of the previous post (yesterday’s, in answering the attacks of the vile John, who is named after the One who made him, unfortunately) was taken down? It is important for the people who read here to understand that, much more important than everyone here having to be subjected to blasphemy and continual attacking lies. Please be fair, Walker, please repost it in the interest of fairness to the other side.

This is pertaining to the point you say he made, which I don’t think is a point at all, since it is not valid – Muslims are doing the stoning, not Jews.

This is not fair.

13 02 2011
Ingrid

None of his vile lies are moderated, are they. They all go through, yet mine, not lies but truth, which is under attack in Holland and everywhere supposedly ‘free’ are being put through the moderation gauntlet? Who is censoring this?

13 02 2011
Ingrid

You may as well take down everything I have posted if that one remains down, Walker. Please.

13 02 2011
Ingrid

If you want I can make it better, I wrote it in a hurry.

14 02 2011
John

Oh, I’m sorry Ingrid. I may actually have misrepresented your position slightly. It isn’t a secreet police force you want hunting down Muslim women and children to be stripped of their rights and property and imprisoned and deported…. it’s the regular police you want to unconstitutionally deprive innocent citzens of their rights to speech, religion and property in a wave of massive political repression. My apologies.

14 02 2011
Walker

Ingrid – no censorship here, just a moderator ( me ) that doesn’t always handle his comments quickly enough. If certain keywords – like ‘Jew’ – show up a certain amount of times in a comment, it gets caught up in moderation. This is thanks to another commenter who doesn’t seem to show up here anymore these days, but I’ve kept the filter in place. I’ll approve your comments in just a moment.

15 02 2011
Ingrid

Oh. OK, thank you. It is appreciated, Walker. I was having my doubts about this site, but now I understand. I know who that was. thank heaven he’s gone. If only you could have a troll filter.

15 02 2011
John

Bwahahahahahaha. Walker, thanks for posting that comment of Ingrid’s that was held up in moderation. That is by far the funniest one yet. You know, with all the rank Islamophobia coming out of the extreme right wing these days, it’s easy to become a bit saddened by it. But then, some of those bigots tip their hand to reveal that they are not rational human beings who have come to their hatred through some cold, calucated intellectual exercise. But actually, they are fucking insane lunatics who write shit like this:

” and semen is alive, they are beings, with spirit, as blood is alive, with the life in it,”

and

“therefore, to be homosexual is not the sin, but the act of desecrating sperm, the living force which we are entrusted with protecting and honouring”

I don’t know why its better that the kind of shit Ingrid says comes from someone who is verifiably insane… but it is. One of my favourite movie scenes ever is the “purity of my bodily fluids” scene from Dr. Strangelove. It is so incredibly awesome that I have come across a real live version of that guy in Ingrid. So so good. Ingrid – please write some more of your thoughts on semen. Please. Also, tell us what you think of flouridation. And whether you only drink distilled rain water.

15 02 2011
John

Oh man, I’m super curious to know what key words in that post sent it to the moderation queue. Cause, Walker, if you put a filter on for posts that contained the word semen more than 5 times, that is both super weird and eerily foresightful.

15 02 2011
Ingrid

THAT was NOT YAH SAYING THAT, THAT WAS MOSES.

Moses did not do Yah’s will sometimes, that’s why he did not get to go into the land he was sent to.

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